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I will attempt to respond to this.DARTHYAM wrote:The Dog stomping incident was witnessed by Jason Baldwins own cousin, i guess it wouldn't go down well for Damien and Jason if his own cousin took the stand and pointed out this information, Heather knew about the dog killing too, Adam's Phillip said he saw a dead Great Dane with its intestines hanging out which matches what Jason Baldwins cousins said so i tend to believe their turn of events more than Damiens, Damien's own mother said he used to carry a dog skull to school and told him to leave it outside as it was stinking their trailer out, Chris Littrell reported animal cruelty by Damien as well, it doesn't prove he killed those 3 boys you're right...but we all know how nutcases like Jeffrey Dahmer started out, Henry Lee Lucas and Richard Kuklinski.If the "dog stomping incident" is so indicative of Damien's propensity toward violence, why didn't the prosecution call this witness during the trial? I believe his name was Joe Bartoush, and he is Jason's cousin. IMO, he, like many other youngsters (the softball girls, for example) were looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Michael Carson could be another example, BTW. Also, a Great Dane is an expensive dog. Why wasn't one reported missing? Don't you believe that, if one had been reported missing, the prosecution would have brought it up? IMO, the whole "dog stomping incident" is an overblown exaggeration. As to the dog skull that Damien carried, it was a much smaller skull, IIRC, and his father (biological) recalled bleaching it out for him. Yes, it's weird to be infatuated with a dog skull. Damien was weird, but that doesn't make him a murderer!
They didn't call Damien's star alibi Holly George to court either..why? because even she said Damien was at Jason's, he wasn't at home, this was why she wasn't called to court because they would of done the prosecution a favour and Damien's so called alibi would of been ripped apart at the trial.There were a lot of people who weren't called during the E/B trial. Most of them were teenagers. IMO, the attorneys saw what happened with Jessie's alibi witnesses during cross examination and didn't want to risk the problem. All that "proves" is that teenagers have faulty memories and that the prosecutors were better at cross examination than the defense was at redirect.
Jason has recently used a Asian guy as a witness saying he played him at Street Fighter 2 at Walmart just before the killings...but there's a huge problem with this, this Asian guy said he saw Damien with Jason at that time when Jason reported he never went to Walmart with Damien...so now we've got 2 people saying Jason was with Damien just before the murders.Again, teenagers with faulty memories may be the culprit here. Maybe the Asian guy saw someone who looked like Damien but wasn't Damien with Jason. Jason, IIRC, doesn't remember who exactly was in the Wal-mart when he was playing. There was no reason for Jason (or Damien or Jessie) to remember their activities in detail on May 5, 1993 - unless they knew that they would need an alibi. IMO, the fact that they don't remember clearly is more proof of their innocence.
Ken Watkins said Jason was with Damien at Walmart at 5:30pm just before the killings...a pattern is starting to form here.Since I give credence to the Clark/Ballard sighting of the boys at 6:30 pm, 5:30 pm is an hour before the last time the boys were seen alive. (IIRC, there are other sightings after 6:30 pm - one as late as 7:00 pm.) Additionally, I would want to question Ken Watkins as to how he knew what time it was. Was he wearing a watch? etc. IMO, Ken Watkins is a non-issue.
Even Damiens own Grandmother said he was out when he was meant to be at home and to top it off once again Damien's so called star alibi told police that when she asked Damien where they had been the night of the killings because she tried to phone Damien and he was out..he told her Jasons mother had taken them both somewhere....what is a complete lie because Jason's mother was at work...so whys he even lying to his own friends where he was that night? no wonder she wasn't called to court.Maybe Damien was lying to her. Maybe he didn't want to talk to her and ask his grandmother to say he was out when he wasn't. That kind of thing happens with teenagers.
The sighting of Terry with the boys is a complete lie, she said she saw Amanda on the Hobbs driveway at 6:30pm when Terry apparently called for the boys, Amanda wasn't even at the Hobbs house at that time, she was was left at the Jacobys, The Jacobys backed this up saying Terry left the house alone to look for the boys at 6:00pm, even Amanda told Pam she was left there and is written in Pam's statement, to add even more weight to this complete lie of a 16 years too late statement she said she saw Ryan Clark at school the following day, Ryan never went to school the following day..he stayed home looking for his brother...so basically her statement is complete rubbish, people can't even remember what they done last week let alone 16 years ago.Jamie remembered the incident because she remembered seeing the boys the night before when the reports of the bodies being found were made public on the sixth of May. She didn't say anything about it because she assumed that Terry Hobbs would have told the police that he saw the boys alive at 6:30 pm. It wasn't until she realized that Terry hadn't told the police about seeing the boys that she came forward. Seeing Ryan at school the next day doesn't necessarily contradict him not being in school. There is a difference. Perhaps Ryan went by the school around lunch to get his assignments and talked with some of his friends at that time. As to Amanda, there are two possible explanations. Jamie could have been mistaken about seeing Amanda, or Amanda could have been in the driveway and went directly back to the Jacoby's when Terry left again to chase the boys. Remember, Amanda was only four at the time. Her time line to Pam could have been inaccurate, especially if she was only in the driveway with Terry for a short period of time. As to the memories being 16 years old when she told her tale, I still have vivid memories of where I was and exactly what was happening when JFK was assassinated - 50 years ago! That murder was a major event in that small town - akin to 9/11. You tend to remember details in situations like that.
That hair is a waste of time, even Damiens own defense team said this sighting of Terry with the boys is more damning than the DNA evidence...well the sighting was proved bullshit so the DNA is worthless then, matches 1.5% of the population and considering the boys were at the Hobbs house just before the murders it can be secondary transfer...that's even if it is Terry's hair anyway.Yes, the mtDNA match to Terry Hobbs is a match to 1.5% of the world population. That is the number of people who share a maternal ancestor with him. IMO, the Hobbs hair alone isn't as damning as the Hobbs hair in conjunction with the Jacoby hair. The two together are pretty damning. It's certainly more physical evidence than they have on Damien, Jason or Jessie. Ask this person if he would feel the same about the hair (the Jacoby hair, that is) if the mtDNA matched Damien, Jason or Jessie. Bottom line, whoever left that hair shared a maternal ancestor with Terry Hobbs and was on the scene. Who fits the bill?
And don't get me going on those (qualified forensic experts) they are nothing but a joke. Werner Spitz
who said Phil Spector didn't murder Lana Clarkson had the nerve to stand there at the trial with a straight face and said she shot herself and blew her own teeth out, even though the blood spatter on Phil's coat told a different story and even his own chauffeur said Phil told me he thinks hes just killed her. When you got a never ending supply of gullible millionaire celebrities trying to get these boys out these so called experts are gonna say anything they want to hear, same way they tried with the super rich Phil Spector, the same guy who tried to say Casey Anthony is innocent too!! anyone with half a brain knows that shes guilty.If you don't like Werner Spitz, look at some of the other experts. All of the defense experts agree that the majority of the wounds on the little boys (if not all of the wounds) were postmortem animal predation. There were numerous defense experts (seven, IIRC), all of whom were board certified. Peretti couldn't even pass the certification exam after multiple attempts. One of the defense experts (DiMaio, IIRC) wrote the textbook on forensic pathology. Why didn't Peretti ask for help in this case? That's standard practice for competent forensic pathologists! IMO, Peretti was simply out of his league and too proud to ask for help and/or admit when he'd made a mistake. While we're comparing "experts," I think that even Werner Spitz is better than Dale Griffis, the prosecution's cult expert with a degree from a mail-order diploma mill!
According to Spitz statement..dogs done the injuries, but the boys were submerged under water and came up when Mike Allen accidentally just stood on Michael...so whats he saying? the dogs dragged them out...bit their bodies and placed them back into the water to hide from everyone? what a crock of shit. According to him the boys received some of the head injuries by the dogs shaking and bashing them against things, so how did the dogs hide them so well in the water afterwards? have you ever heard such crap in all your life? Spitz is the only expert that made such a statement. The other experts disagreed about the dogs. IMO, dogs could have attacked the bodies earlier - before they were placed in the discovery ditch. The boys simply weren't killed where they were found. Even the wmpd believed it to be a dump site at first. It wasn't until Jessie's unbelievable "confession" that they changed their minds.
So what were left with 20 years on with 3 lads still without an alibi between them, who lied not only to the police about their whereabouts but friends too, 9 confessions and Damien being spotted by the woods caked in mud around the same time Ryan Clark heard splashing and someone running away from him in the woods...who was also obsessed with the Occult, Crowley's work and had serious mental health issues + much more what points towards them...i personally think they done it but each to their own."So, Terry Hobbs stated several times that he was searching for Steven since about 5 pm. He said that he was in and out of those woods all night long. How come he didn't see the three teens killing the boys? We know that Christopher was with his mom until almost 5:30 - well after the time that Terry supposedly started searching for the boys. The other searchers didn't start until about 8 pm or so, IIRC. So, Terry was the only person who could have witnessed the crime - if it went down where and when Jessie said it did. There would have been noise, and those woods aren't that big. If Terry had been where he claims he was when he claims he was, he would have heard the crime being committed. Why didn't he? FWIW, I believe that the three teens did have alibis. Unfortunately, those alibis were from other teens, and teens don't always remember very well, especially when they don't know in advance that their memories will be necessary to provide alibis for friends.
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